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July 13, 2005

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Tammie

To canadian girl, you are right, life is priceless, so what is a good punishment for someone who has no regard for anothers life???!! This person CHOSE to drink himself into a stupor, CHOSE to drive, CHOSE to drive the wrong way down a freeway!! What choices did he give everyone else on that road that night? HE CHOSE for them, to end their life and the lives of their families! Also to you and Edeliz, when people have been drinking, it usually will make the person be more truthful in their conversations, not just a depressive. It tends to allow for their real feelings to emerge, feelings usually hidden deep down when they are sober. I do believe alcoholics should receive help with their addiction, I also believe if you make the decision to drink and drive, you accept full responsibility for your actions. This man killed innocent people doing the right thing to keep them safe, he needs to accept what HE done and do his time. This goes for anyone else who does the same. Marty had a say in the decisions he made that night and I am pretty damn sure he knows the results of drinking and driving! In conclusion, I would like to see how you two and all the others making excuses for these people would react if it was YOUR loved one decapitated, mamed and killed by Marty or someone else who CHOOSES to drink, drive and kill!!

Tammie

Katie: When was the last time you held your daughters decapitated head, watched your whole family be mamed and injured, deal with someone killing your father, brother, husband??? All by soneone who chose his actions that night. This wasn't his first offense for DUI! Going from a ticket to 25 years is what happens and SHOULD happen when you kill someone by your actions of choosing to drink and drive!! Lets talk about not being angry and forgiving when this has happened to you katie!! Its also none of your damn business what anybody is doing on the road at anytime of the day and night, exspecially if THEY are not drinking and driving! They were at a family celebration, taking a limo home, so they would not be driving after celebrating this joyous occasion. I believe it is YOU who needs the counseling if you cant understand the grief and anger these families are feeling! Or maybe you should open your bible and have someone who knows what they are talking about to explain Gods word to you! I just hope for everyones sake YOU are not on the road, leaving the bars, drinking and driving!! Get a grip, grow up and then maybe you can have a discussion with the grown ups!

Mad as hell daughter

I have not read all of the blogs posted on this website but for those I have read and for those who believe that this man Marty should be punished for what he has done - Kudos to you!!! I am currently experiencing my own hell on earth. A man, celebrating Thanksgiving a day early decided to take the road after having one too many drinks...mind you this was not at 2 a.m. when all the bars have closed for the night - it was at 5pm in the afternoon when people were just starting on their trek home for the holiday. Or in my fathers case, going home from a doctors appointment from the very hospital he is hanging by a thread from. This man was so plowed that he literally ran his F150 OVER my father while he was waiting innocently in a turn lane to go home to my mother. They had to use the "jaws of life" to cut him out of his barely recognizable car and is now currently suffering from a broken back, fractured hip, kidneys, lungs, and heart (among other things) that are working purely by machines while the doctors are trying to figure out whether or not he is going to make it through the night. But - before I forget, this heartless piece of shit actually had the AUDACITY to jump out of his F150 that was sitting on top of my father, not knowing whether he was dead or alive and took off on foot to avoid getting arrested. He is now out on bail and probably already back into his native country of Mexico where there is most likely no hope of him EVER having to pay for what he did. And I AM SUPPOSED to sit here and FORGIVE HIM?!!??! I DON'T THINK SO!!!! Listen, I am a Catholic as well but until you are in the same position as I am in or this poor innocent family is in, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND!!! This asshole should have NEVER put us in the position to have to decide whether or not we pull the plug on an innocent man, MY FATHER no less. Who did this man think he was when he did this? He's not God therefore he has NO right to decide whether or not someone to take someones life by the mercy of his own hands. This man OBVIOUSLY has NO regard for another human life other than to save his own ass if he decides to WALK AWAY and several of you are spouting the bible and forgiveness?!?!?!! I'm sorry, but if someone is going to be brave and bold enough to get behind the wheel of a vehicle after having one too many drinks, he should be BRAVE AND BOLD ENOUGH to deal with the consequences for his CARELESS, IRRESPONSIBLE, AND DEADLY ACTIONS!!!

Mad as hell daughter

I have not read all of the blogs posted on this website but for those I have read and for those who believe that this man Marty should be punished for what he has done - Kudos to you!!! I am currently experiencing my own hell on earth. A man, celebrating Thanksgiving a day early decided to take the road after having one too many drinks...mind you this was not at 2 a.m. when all the bars have closed for the night - it was at 5pm in the afternoon when people were just starting on their trek home for the holiday. Or in my fathers case, going home from a doctors appointment from the very hospital he is hanging by a thread from. This man was so plowed that he literally ran his F150 OVER my father while he was waiting innocently in a turn lane to go home to my mother. They had to use the "jaws of life" to cut him out of his barely recognizable car and is now currently suffering from a broken back, fractured hip, kidneys, lungs, and heart (among other things) that are working purely by machines while the doctors are trying to figure out whether or not he is going to make it through the night. But - before I forget, this heartless piece of shit actually had the AUDACITY to jump out of his F150 that was sitting on top of my father, not knowing whether he was dead or alive and took off on foot to avoid getting arrested. He is now out on bail and probably already back into his native country of Mexico where there is most likely no hope of him EVER having to pay for what he did. And I AM SUPPOSED to sit here and FORGIVE HIM?!!??! I DON'T THINK SO!!!! Listen, I am a Catholic as well but until you are in the same position as I am in or this poor innocent family is in, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND!!! This asshole should have NEVER put us in the position to have to decide whether or not we pull the plug on an innocent man, MY FATHER no less. Who did this man think he was when he did this? He's not God therefore he has NO right to decide whether or not someone to take someones life by the mercy of his own hands. This man OBVIOUSLY has NO regard for another human life other than to save his own ass if he decides to WALK AWAY and several of you are spouting the bible and forgiveness?!?!?!! I'm sorry, but if someone is going to be brave and bold enough to get behind the wheel of a vehicle after having one too many drinks, he should be BRAVE AND BOLD ENOUGH to deal with the consequences for his CARELESS, IRRESPONSIBLE, AND DEADLY ACTIONS!!!

catnapping

I think it's time to treat drunk-driving as a violent crime. The drivers are choosing to drive, even though they're likely to injure someone.

anonymous

Some of you are confusing law and religion. Whether anyone chooses to forgive "party Marty" (as his friends testified was his nickname) has nothing to do with the law. He broke the law, he must serve the punishment within the guidelines of NY State Law. Martin has driven drunk countless times and was caught ONLY 4 times. He did not learn from his mistake. To the post from NYGUY, I quote you "Marty is the kind of person who can reach people and STOP others from drinking and driving." WRONG. He could not stop himself. He has done nothing in the 1 year and 5 months since the crash to help ANYONE else. I do believe he has a lot of time on his hands and could be helping others. What is he waiting for? Your statement is so stupid, "he would stop others from drinking & driving" No he won't. Actions speak LOUDER than words. His actions have never reflected that so why would you say that? Why would you write something so clearly incorrect and go and post it. I think you are a moron.
Martin has a disregard for human life. He took another man's bodily fluid in his mouth to thwart a DNA test. You should probably read that again. Yea, "party Marty" is a real upstanding citizen/religious boy. It is illegal to drive a motor vehicle while intoxicated. He is a law breaking, immoral depraved man. He will have a LOT of time to reflect on his choice. He should do some good in jail but he probably won't.
Once again, its been 17 months and nothing yet. His comments and letters to friends do not reflect the feelings of a man who is sorry or who feels bad for what he did. The letters reflect a poor victim. Sorry, not buying it. Yes he has to live with this for the rest of his life, but he has not begun to feel bad for the destruction he caused. He is only sorry that he got caught.
NYGUY, why don't you contact him and the two of you do something productive to.....what was it you said " reach people and STOP others from drinking and driving." Put you money where your mouth is. Let's see if you really give a crap or just like blogging. I'll be watching for the good that you and party Marty do.

....Still waiting.

Colleen

90 days ago my only sister and her partner were MURDERED by a drunk driver. I know how the family and friends are suffering because of this careless, disgusting loser who didn't care enough to pre-arrange his ride home after partying. My deepest regards for your losses. It is a horrifying way for your loved ones to be stolen and a cruel nightmare for the surviving victims. I realize that this forum is not about my situation but I feel the need to dispute those who have pity for drunk drivers. I hope that I don’t offend anyone (especially the Flynn family and the Rabinowitz family) for sharing my story as I must continue to educate people and stand with those who are in the same situation. I'm from Canada and 3 months ago a phone call changed my life forever. It is empty now and I struggle everyday. It is agony for my family. A known alcoholic who was 55 years old decided to drink then drive with two women ages, 46 and 60. Women who had families and who didn’t act responsibly or stop the drunk driver! The blood alcohol was so high but at this point I will not comment as it has not been released yet. Samuel Furtado had 2 previous DUI's (a $150 and $200 fine, and some meaningless mandatory rehab courses) He was also convicted of running over his wife to go and buy beer. My sister Candice and her boyfriend Owen had spent months planning their well deserved vacation. We saw some video footage from their last day and their last photos were taken at 8:24 pm as they viewed lava in the National Park. Now I have pictures of their last happy days together in paradise and a ring and watch of Candice’s still stained in her blood. At 10 pm they were mangled by the speeding SUV that crossed the centre line. Candice was 32 and Owen was 33. They were both wonderful people who were deeply loved and needed. Their funeral could barely hold the excess of 500 angry, grieving loved ones. They had been there only 8 days when Furtado's porshe SUV hit and threw their rented car over top of another car before landing 50 metres away. It took nearly 4 hours to remove Owen's body from the car. The engine destroyed his legs. My family died instantly thank God but Furtado suffered for a bit until he went to hell. The two drinking passengers also died. I feel no pity for them but do feel badly for the young children left behind. I have a 10 year old and I would never be so stupid or selfish to get into a vehicle with someone who had been drinking. The shame in abandoning one’s child when all they had to do was make a simple choice before becoming intoxicated. Two other people survived in a 3rd car, one with bruises and another with two broken legs. This man will probably never walk the same and he will be in pain. Both men will re-live this terrifying scenario their entire lives. I rushed off to the big island of Hawaii while still in shock. I held my older sister for nearly 2 hours. She had to go through a mandatory autopsy and was wrapped up like a mummy. I longed to touch her beautiful long red/brown hair but it would have been matted with blood. Her cold swollen face was bruised, cut and she had bit off the bottom of her lip. I sobbed on my cold dead sister and I felt like I was dying too. Everyday I see her sad pale face in my mind. Her lifeless body haunts me then beautiful memories penetrate my sorrow and I see her loving smile. Owen was cremated before I arrived and I realize that maybe his brother's were trying to protect me from seeing the devastation inflicted on his poor body. My little son is now without his only aunty and uncle Owen. They adored him. I will never attend their wedding, never hold their child, never hug them, never talk to them again all because of Furtado. Why did nobody stop this abusive monster? He was pathetic! Why not the women, why not the drinking establishments, what about the useless judges and ridiculous laws? What is it going to take for people to realize that our families are being murdered and our laws (in Canada and the US) are too weak. Why a slap on the wrist for DUI offences? Why do people try to argue that drinking and driving is not murder. We are responsible for our own actions. If we choose to drink, do drugs or speed then we are risking the lives of innocent people. Please fight for our protection. I never would have imagined that this would happen to my family. The family members of the drinking party didn’t even have enough integrity to send us condolences. I guess they have too much shame! We did however receive sincere condolences and prayers from the local community. They were strangers and weren’t involved but they had the heart to reach out to us. We are very humbled and thankful to all of the people who helped us but Not to the families of the intoxicated idiots. The newspaper seemed to glorify them because they were locals and Candice and Owen were mentioned as the tourists from Canada. How ignorant and disrespectful! Furtado had too many chances and our family had zero chances to survive this evil. Our Candice is gone forever and we no longer live happy lives.....we just COPE. We know longer have Owen to make us laugh and to make us feel important. If you take another human beings life then you should pay with your own and spend your life in Jail. The two murdered victims in the limo accident have lost their lives and so have their grieving families. My bitterness and hatred will always be fuelled by drunk drivers and the people who try to protect them. I wake up everyday and hold back my tears and try to smile for my son who needs me. My mom is lost. My dad is broken. 1st time DUI's must be treated severely. Take away their bloody right to drive! Drivers who KILL must be charged with MURDER. My heart goes out to all of you affected by drunk driving. Not a day goes by when I don't talk to Candice and Owen and tell them how much I love and miss them. Thank you for reading my story. Colleen

William

What you people fail to realize is the grey area that a murder 2 conviction of this guy brings.

You say "he chose to drove drunk and that shows depraved indifference for human life". I say that's not in the spirit of the law, but let's say for arguement's sake that you are right.

Now, let's look at this scenario: a kid is driving to his friends house and wants to get there a little sooner, so he runs red lights and stop signs. Along the way, as he's running a red light, he strikes another car, killing the passenger. According to many of you, this kid should be charged with murder 2 because "by running the red lights, he didn't care about anyone else's life".

The difference between this scenario and Marty's is that Marty was drunk. Alcohol impairs your decision making abilities and makes you take risks that you wouldn't sober. Alcoholism is also a sickness. Factoring in the previous statements, the scenario stated above better fits the description of depraved indifference, since alcohol was involved.

Marty is most definitely guilty of manslaughter, however convicting him of murder 2 brings us down a slippery slope. I wish people would have used their logic instead of their emotions when it comes to this case.

Dawn

William, have you lost your family to a speeding, drug abusing or drunk driver? Let's see if you contain your emotions when your child is dying in your arms or maybe it's your wife taking one last painful breath due to the recklessness of somebody who abused the privilege of operating a vehicle. We all have responsibilities and we all make choices. Most decent human beings make LOGIC choices before they act and this usually serves them very well. It would be logic for a person to make smart choices before drinking so that they don't threaten innocent lives. It is hardly fair for you to give out a lesser charge because the intoxicated person had impaired judgment. Drunk driving kills more people in the US and Canada and the statistics are increasing. It is a major problem in rural and urban areas. The penalties need to be harsh, extremely harsh because the victims had their lives taken because of another’s poor planning, addiction or whatever. Why do you try to defend the actions of people that are terrorizing our roads and our families? The only way for us to lessen these crimes are to enforce them more aggressively. Aggressive like the way our loved ones were torn to pieces. Why should drunk drivers/speeders/addicts be spared when our loved ones were given zero consideration. PEOPLE like you are ignorant and lacking emotion. You think that your rational thinking is serving people well but your relaxed views on drunk driving are very much part of the problem. Maybe you are one of these people who thinks, "it won't happen to me." I truly hope that you don't ever have to go through the daily agony that faces the survivors and victims of these crimes.

William

Dawn,

No I have not had a family member or close friend killed because of a drunk driver. I believe this qualifies me more than anyone who has, simply because I can judge without emotion. That's what the law is Dawn, black and white, void of emotion. If somebody robbed my grandmother at gunpoint but didn't hurt her, I'd probably want that person dead too. That's what anger and rage does to you, it makes you think with emotion.

I'm sorry Dawn, but I'm not ignorant either. I believe offenders should be charged appropriate charges, and not charged what the lynch mob wants to charge them with. The solution is not to charge drunk drivers with murder 2. That's a slippery slope for us to go down. What's next, someone who drives drunk but doesn't kill anyone is charged with attempted murder? Someone who drives recklessly while talking on their cell phone is charged with attempted murder?

Dawn, in your post you speak of using logic, yet your post contains none of it. The law has a process, and when we decide to abandon this process we put everyone at risk. What if you had an 18 year old son who was speeding and talking on his cell phone and he killed somone - the precedant you set with Marty's case would enable the courts to charge your son with murder. Have you thought about the ramifications of inappropriate charges? Has your rage let you see past anything?

Now I spoke to why I think Marty shouldn't be charged with murder, but I've yet to offer a reasonable solution, until now. DWI needs to have it's own set of charges and penalities. If you drive drunk, stiffer penalties should exist. If you drive drunk and hurt someone, more strict penalites should exist, but not as strict as aggravated assault. If you drive drunk and kill someone, the charge should be greater than vehicular homicide, but not as great as murder.

DWI has become such a rampant problem, it deserves its own set of charges and penalties under the law. A DWI offender is not the same kind of criminal as a rapist or murderer. I hope everyone who is filled with rage and anger can one day let go and understand the subtle, but important differences in these charges. It's for the good of the rest of the country.

David Serrell

I have an 8 year old daughter, and have had a second cousin killed by a DWI driver. I've been a municipal manager/administrator in 4 municipalities, in addition to very responsible positions for several companies, and having said that, our country has lost its character and integrity. We simply accept corruption, dishonesty, and bad behavior as acceptable! This is going to continue as politicians blink their eyes at wrong and strive for themselves! The dilution of our culture by misfits will continue until someone steps up to the plate, who values character and integrity, and has a positive attitude for our country's future! It's sad to see values of today, which pale in reference to values of our ancestors! Bill Gates,Warren Buffit, Ted Turner, etc. have given millions to their causes, however they are smarter than I, because they will not take on our corrupt government and the elected officals who vote daily to determin our future. We have ingored what's really going on, and those who are fortunate in their ability to really make a difference, have not stepped up to the plate!

Have a great day! David

Holly Wild

All the friends of this drunk driver need to crawl in a hole and NOT and i mean NOT defend him in anyway. How many people have to die from this epidemic of drinking and driving. This was a child..a heart of a family that was killed. Be ashamed when you type one word in defence of this individual. Like one writer posted. It wasnt your husband, it wasnt your sister it wasnt your child...its easy for you to talk...You all probably went drinking with this guy. This wasnt my tragic accident but had it been GOD FORBID...my life would be over and why? Because some idiot decided to get behind a wheel after drinking ...wow thats a novelty...imagine that...like that never happens...and it always seems to end well. All you bleeding hearts out there.....would you give up your lives to bring back the dead for this loser...i doubt your answer would be yes. And by all means stop preaching and talking religion here...just bury your heads and be ashamed that you ever knew this person!

Tammie

AGAIN, when are you people going to stop making excuses for people who CHOOSE to drink and drive, knowing what the outcome could be, but secretly hoping it won't turn out that way!! There is not one person that can say, Oh, I didn't know that if I drank and drove my car that it would hurt, mame or kill someone. So, if you choose to participate in this behavior, KNOWING what the results could be, what does that say? You don't care because if you did, you wouldn't even take that chance. There is NO excuse for choosing to drink and therefore choosing to possibly killing innocent people, who had no choice in your decision!! How is that not murder, you showed that you knew that hurting or killing people was a possible outcome of your drinking and driving and you still chose to do it!! That has nothing to do with emotions. It certainly is no excuse for the damage caused by you. Being drunk, IS NOT an excuse for making the choices these people make. They were not drunk when they chose to put themselves and everyone else at the mercy of their indifference when they drive after making themselves unable to properly operate a vehicle!! Of course anyone affected by a drunk driver is going to want the stiffest
penalty and in my opinion, it should be murder. YOU took the life of someone else or gravely injured people. how are you not at fault? AGAIN, drunk drivers CHOOSE to drink, choose to drive, all the while knowing that their actions could cause heartache beyond comprehension. Its also crazy to compare apples and oranges. We are talking about driving while intoxicated, everything else has its on time and place to discuss, not well, what about this and what about that! I can't say it enough and I don't care who you are or where you have worked, there is NO excuse for taking the life of innocent people who had no choice and YOU DID!!! TAKE responsibility for YOUR decisions and actions!! Nobody ever has the intention of killing someone (usually) when they set out for their fun, but you make the decision to drink and drive, KNOWING that is a possibility, yet the actions you choose show indifference, I know this awful result
can happen, but I am willing to take that chance!! So the victims family are suppose to just accept that, oh I messed up, I didn't mean to, please only give the least punishment possible! I was drunk and shouldn't be held responsible for my actions, even though I knew that could be the result!! PLEASE! We need to make everyone accountable for their own actions and decisions! Stop making excuses for things YOU had control over!! Yes, I am trying to make a difference and make stiffer laws and penalties, what are you doing?? Continuing to make excuses for irresponsible people...

Dawn

William, You ramble on with your opinions and insults towards me but you won't convince me with your reduced convictions. My family was murdered and you will never convince me otherwise. We (people who have had their families killed by offenders and re-offenders will never agree with your laid back approach to the law. My father has been a police officer for over 30 years and even he agrees that the laws are pathetic. Insult my post and my logic all you want because you will never understand. I have indepth knowledge about the legal system from living with an officer and going through the legal system. You've tried to make your point but many of us will never agree with you. Maybe you should look for another blog where you're actually respected and acknowledged. And William..the man who is more entitled to comment on this matter more because you've never lost anyone to drunk driving...my mother is beside herself with grief and I fear that I will lose her too because she is now destroyed. Slippery slope as you say...DUI will never go away until charges are firm. A person who has had two many beers is a loaded weapon. If they get into the car then they have intent to kill. Deal with it buddy. I'll keep on responding to your nonsense.

Dawn

William,

Your insults aside. My family was murdered by a drunk driver and nothing you say will ever convice me otherwise. Don't waste your breath. Drinking and driving is a loaded weapon. If you murder another human being while driving drunk then you should pay the price. Dawn

zoe

I just heard about this tragedy that occured just over 2 years ago. I thankfully have never lost someone due to drinking and driving, nor have I been tempted to drink and drive myself. I am also a catholic woman, and a single mother of a 3 year old girl. when I heard about this story ( a friend posted the video on my facebook) I could not stop crying. My heart broke for Katie and Stan's families. I do believe in forgiveness, but I am also a firm believer that your actions will bring about consequences. This young man may have been the very essence of good, but he made a horrible choice. And in all reality, it is not like he did not know what could happen. For everyone on here saying what a wonderful young man he is, think about how wonderful Katie was, or Stan for that matter. Martin is still alive and able to see his parents and hug them and comfort them... Where Katie and Stan can still see their loved ones, their loves cannot see them. Martin should be in prison until he dies. Not because I think he's a bad person, but because he took two innocent lives that would still be here if he hadn't made that choice. What he did is in effect like taking a gun and shooting it and hoping it doesn't hit someone. But it did hit someone. Two someones. And he needs to pay for that choice the same as if he shot someone.
Zoe

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